EP. 1: Dr. Jordan Shilts: "You Can Live Longer Than You Think!"

On the first episode of Season Three of ‘We’re Not Blowing Hot Air,’ Dr. Jordan Shilts, Founder of Statera Health – a clinic specializing in functional medicine in Edina, Minnesota – chats with Lauren Carlstrom and new co-host, Robert Burns, about how and why we can live longer than we think!  Dr. Jordan explains the difference between lifespan and healthspan, chronological age versus biological age, and what we can do to win at the game of life.  Plus, learn why goals are at the crux of helping us live a long, healthy, happy life – all on this episode of ‘We’re Not Blowing Hot Air.’

About Dr. Jordan Shilts:

Dr. Jordan Shilts is Founder of Statera Health – a clinic specializing in functional medicine in Edina, Minnesota.  Dr. Jordan incorporates chiropractic care, brain-based therapies, nutrition, and movement into his holistic treatments to extend his patient’s healthspan and improve quality of life.  His goal is to make longevity practices effective, simple and accessible.  His unique approach promotes foundational pillars of health (sleep, autonomic functions and recovery) while simultaneously improving his patient’s mindset towards lifestyle change. 

Dr. Jordan graduated with his Doctor of Chiropractic from Northwestern Health Sciences University in Bloomington, Minnesota.  He received his B.S. in Kinesiology from Winona State University.  Dr. Jordan is certified in nutrition and applied kinesiology and is dedicated to furthering his education.  He is actively finalizing his M.S. in Exercise Science, performing thesis research in autonomic nervous system function, and currently pursuing a diplomate in Functional Neurology.

Learn more Statera Health:  https://officialstatera.com/ 

Follow Statera Health on Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/staterahealth_edina/ 

This podcast references, and suggests reading, the book, Lifespan: Why We Age―and Why We Don't Have To' by Dr. David Sinclair. "In this groundbreaking book, Dr. David Sinclair, leading world authority on genetics and longevity, reveals a bold new theory for why we age. As he writes: 'Aging is a disease, and that disease is treatable.'"

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:02

Welcome to the We're Not Blowing Hot Air podcast, powered by Oxygen Plus. This season, we're all about the newest proven wellness hacks that'll help you think, feel, and perform your best.

Speaker 2: 0:14

Absolutely. Living longer and healthier isn't a far off dream with the easy actionable ways that we will learn today.

Speaker 1: 0:21

Let's start training for the Game of Life with this episode. Special guest on We're not blowing hot air.

Speaker 2: 0:28

Hello everyone. Hi Lauren.

Speaker 1: 0:30

Hi, Robert. How are

Speaker 2: 0:31

You doing? Very well, thank you. Welcome to this episode of We're Not Blowing Hot Air today. I am here, we are here with Dr. Jordan Schultz. Um, or Schultz, sorry, Jordan. Um, I am very excited to have you guys here from Jordan today. I was actually introduced to Jordan, uh, by Lauren. Um, so I'm gonna go ahead and have Lauren introduce Jordan. Uh, but we're excited to talk to him today.

Speaker 1: 0:53

Yeah, well thanks Robert. It's great to have you here too. Thank you. Welcome to the podcast as Mike, new co-host. Um, I'm really excited because Dr. Jordan, you are, uh, you have a degree in chiropractic with an emphasis in functional medicine. You have a wellness clinic in Edina, Minnesota, not too far from where the opl headquarters is located, and it offers a, an incredible malu of services at St. Satara. Did I say that right? Satara? Yep. Dr. Jordan. Yep. Okay. I'm sorry, Satara. Um, it's a little early this morning. I'm gonna have my coffee with us today, but it, you offer hyperbaric oxygen, l e d, light therapy, functional medicine, biomarker lab test, and chiropractic wellness. So a lot of things. Um, I know that some of your clients, so you can't obviously reveal names. You, you service professional athletes that are local to Minnesota of all kinds, as well as people who are just interested in wellness or, and or also maybe struggling with some major health issues. And so, um, without further ado, I, I just would love for you to really have this opportunity to talk about the topic of lifespan versus healthspan and what that means with those terms or maybe kind of new or nuanced at best in today's world. And so can you share with us more about who you are in the context of like, how you know and understand lifespan and healthspan?

Speaker 3: 2:33

Yeah, yeah, of course. Thanks for having me, guys. I'm so glad that this came to fruition. Like said, our offices are so close. So it's been really cool to have the conversations that we've had. You know, I think if we could, we could have easily recorded them and been on like episode three by now,<laugh>. Um, they've been been just a, a lot of joy with that. But yeah. Yeah. Um, just a little bit of background about myself. Um, I'm just super passionate in the field of, of, of personalized health and where healthcare is going. Um, I think it really gives, uh, individuals the accessibility to just create health instead of managed disease. And that's something that I've always really been interested again with, with where the trajectory is heading. So my background is in chiropractic. Um, I graduated from Northwestern, um, chiropractic with, uh, in 2019. Um, early on in my journey, I was really exposed to functional medicine and what that means as a definition. We can kind of get into that a little bit later. But it's really about, um, the creation of health again and, and looking at things from that perspective as opposed to kind of the wait and see model of managing disease and managing symptoms. Um, so thankfully, again, I was able to be exposed to that really on early on in my chiropractic journey and had a bunch of really good mentors in the space who, who kind of, uh, really accelerated, um, the, the process and really shortened the gap in, in what I wanted to do following graduation. Now, of course, we're probably all familiar with biohacking also. Now there's all these different tools and hacks and technologies that you can do to, to really support your body and, and its innate intelligence. And I thought, what a cool idea to bridge functional medicine with some of these biohacking tools so that we can really accelerate healing and, and see faster and more efficient outcomes. So that kind of really led to the creation of Satara Health. Um, myself and my co-founder, Dr. Jarin Faber, we actually lived together throughout chiropractic school, so we had all this time to really come, um, together and, and create a really cool model, um, which is Terre Health. So that's how I, I came in contact with Lauren and it's been just some really cool conversations ever since.

Speaker 2: 4:56

Awesome. Thank you, Dr. Jordan. So I, I know one of the first topics that we talked about in person and had a really long conversation about a really interesting conversation, a topic I've never actually even heard of, which was lifespan versus healthspan.

Speaker 1: 5:10

Yeah. I wanna, let's

Speaker 2: 5:11

Get into that. Yeah. I mean, you know, people are starting to live longer, right? Um, just because of technology, science, the medical community, people are starting to live a little bit longer, but are people really questioning the quality of that life as they get older? Yeah. And I know that the medical community in the past has always looked at, uh, the length of somebody's life as kind of the measurement, right? Versus the actual quality of the life that they're having as they're growing older. So, Dr. Jordan, can you describe to us, you know, what is lifespan versus the actual definition of healthspan?

Speaker 3: 5:46

Yeah, absolutely. And this is really the emergence of Healthcare 2.0 as opposed to this early age thinking or early day thinking of healthcare 1.0. And this is, is largely the framework that I've taken from, um, a mentor of mine who I haven't actually met, but I'm sure your audience is really familiar with. And that's Dr. Peter Atia. He really talks about this in a really elegant matter. But if we think about healthspan and lifespan, the easiest way to think about this is on a graph. So Healthspan being on the y axis, a little bit more about the quality of life and lifespan on the X axis, pretty easy to understand is the amount of years that you have. So the goal on this is to maximize the amount of healthspan for the amount of years that, that we are alive. Um, lifespan is a little bit more about delaying the onset of chronic disease too. So like you're talking about as new emerging technologies come about, you know, a lot of people, um, don't necessarily want to live longer, but they certainly wanna live better. So that's really what we try to optimize in our clinic and really what we we're hoping to, uh, kinda jump on this, this new bandwagon for Healthcare 2.0. So when we think about

Speaker 1: 7:06

No, Dr. Jar. Yeah, I was just gonna say, in my experience with like talking with people, especially like older people, they are, I've heard it said that they don't wanna necessarily live long, uh, because they just really wanna feel good when they're alive. And, and so I think like when, when I first heard and start started knowing more about what your f what functional medicine offers or personalized medicine and just a wellness model on top of, and healthy living on top of all the other services that like medical medicine, traditional Western medicine offers. And like, I started to see like, oh, you, you know, the message I started in like resonating in my heart was like, you don't have to have one or the other now. Like, even if you're in your older age, there's still a lot of things you can do to have that life's that health span on top of the remaining lifespan. You know? And like, I just think like it, I think that's just an important thing to like kinda understand like whether we're young or old, like true we can do things to make our healthspan how we feel better, kind of regardless of the lifespan that we have left.

Speaker 3: 8:18

Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent. And I think when we think about the characteristics of what makes a good quality of life, you have to think about things of, you know, freedom of pain and movements, cognition and brain health, your sense of purpose, um, your connection to family, friends, and your community. And lastly, your emotional tolerance to stress. Um, and I guess the general consensus, when you're thinking about living longer, those things aren't really taken into account, you know, cuz at the age of around 70 or 80, those things dramatically start to fall off hand. So who would want to, you know, extend lifespan at the expense of not having some of those characteristics? So our entire, um, model or, you know, again, the emergence of healthcare 2.0 is how can we shift that graph so we can maximize, uh, healthspan later on into our later years. So we are doing things like creating memories and experiences with, with future generations and doing what we love later on in life. That's really the goal of, of, you know, what I believe to be true healthcare. And, and I think what, what more and more people are, are starting to, um, be open to.

Speaker 2: 9:33

And I think one of the important things that we talked about yesterday, Jordan, that Lauren might not have heard, um, when we were discussing, uh, kind of the calculation that you were doing about as we progress, you know, into the future and technologies progress for every year that technology goes forward, um, us as human beings tend to live a certain amount longer, right? And that's just kind of something saying, look guys, it, it is true. We're we are, just because we're part of this modern, you know, day, we're gonna live longer. So we need to make sure that as we live longer, we're able to, you know, do activities with our grandkids, be able to pick up these, you know, different things and be able to work out and maybe ski and still do some things as, as we're older. Can you remind me of what that kind of calculation was, Jordan?

Speaker 3: 10:19

Yeah. So that's a quote or actually a stat from David Sinclair. They're just kind of like forecasting based off of where technology is heading in the future and all the things that we're likely gonna have access to in the context of more preventative technologies, better, um, just better understandings of our health and more efficient treatments, that's naturally just going to increase the amount of lifespan that we have. And I think you and I did the calculations, again, I'm not a huge math guy, but if you are living, or if you're expecting to live about 50 years longer, every month that you stay alive, you can add about an extra week to your, the end of your life. And I think we totaled that up over 50 years. What was it? Like 12 and a half years is what that comes to. Yep, yep. So significant, uh,<laugh>. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty significant. And

Speaker 1: 11:13

That's, but again, just to kinda reiterate, if you do what, well, how can you, how can I get those extra weeks for every month or the extra week for

Speaker 3: 11:19

Every month? That's just, that's just staying alive with, with where the trajectory of medical technology and, and future advancements are heading.

Speaker 1: 11:29

Okay. So not necess important necessarily the the health part. Just the life part, yeah.

Speaker 3: 11:34

Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Yeah. But I think naturally, uh, uh, as a byproduct of increasing your health span, you know, doing things for your movement, doing things for your brain health, your sense of purpose, really tapping into these things as a byproduct, you're naturally going to be, uh, you know, extending lifespan on top of that too. Sure.

Speaker 1: 11:57

Okay. Okay. I know that like, there's, um, there's like an age we have that is our biological age, and then there's an age we have that's like this internal biomarker. Can you tell, tell me how does that play in to what you're talking about right now and how are, how are functional medicine doctors or other people in wellness using that measurement?

Speaker 3: 12:22

Yeah, so that's such a, a great point. I believe you just had yours ran, right?

Speaker 1: 12:27

I'm about to, I can't wait. I'm gonna be like about to 15. I'm scared to

Speaker 3: 12:32

<laugh>.

Speaker 1: 12:34

No, that's the kinda thing that's this podcast is for you, Robert. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. You're, that you're that old person. I was talking about<laugh>, I'm<laugh>

Speaker 3: 12:42

Well, that's one of those cool advances in, in medicine and healthcare that we're talking about, and the accessibility to test in these biomarkers that we can use to get a better metric or gauge of how efficient we are aging. And, uh, the biological age is a, is a really unique tool. Um, it's, it's, you know, we're all familiar with the chronological age and how old we are, but some people, you know, I have the liberty of, in a clinical practice, I can have a, a 60 year old walk in and they can look 20 years younger, or they can look 20 years older<laugh>. And so that's kind of where this biological age, this new marker is really cool because it can see the, the true biological age of your cells versus the age you are. So you can kind of use that as a, again, a a reference point to understand, hey, are the things that I'm doing in my life, um, beneficial to that biological age, or am I actually set back? And what can we do to, you know, shift that in the right direction.

Speaker 1: 13:48

So what does the chronological age, how do, how does it like compare? Is it just the, how do they determine what would make that the health of the chronological age so they're able to compare it to the biological?

Speaker 3: 14:06

Yeah. So that's, it's kind of a whole other conversation, but, uh, there's this thing called methylation, and what it does is it, uh, regulates the communication of the cells, or I guess like the, the efficiency of, of their communication and when genes are turned on and when genes are turned off mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Um, so they kind of use that as a, as a marker. Currently it's, it's pretty expensive to run, but I know the, the guys behind the scenes are working to, uh, make this super accessible. So again, if there is one marker that you can use to, you know, say, Hey, what did this week of fasting or what did this, you know, protocol do for me? You can really see a before and after on, on how it shifts that biological age, which is gonna be really, really cool. Okay.

Speaker 1: 14:54

Okay. And like, but is there a goal set for like, okay, you need to be like 25% younger than your chronological age on your biological marker?

Speaker 3: 15:03

Oh, that I am not familiar with. I, I don't know. I know there's a rate of aging and you want that to be below one. So for example, if you are, you know, you want your biological age to be less than the rates of your chronological age. So every 365 days, which would be a year, if you're, if you're biologically you're aging only 300 days, you know you're gonna have a positive, um, uh, kind of trajectory on that.

Speaker 2: 15:34

Okay. Yeah. And I like the idea of the test, you know, even though it's scary to me, I like the idea of it because I think a test like that kind of gives you a kick in the pants that you need. You know, if, if for me, for example, you know, I just turned 40 this year. So if I came into Dr. Jordan and he told me that I'm aging like a 65 year old, I think that would give me a kick in the pants to really change some, change some habits in my life, which I think a lot of us need, right? That a lot of us that aren't going to, um, to, you know, we may be going to a, a clinical doctor or just our normal physician and you know, like Dr. Jordan and I talked about, you may be going in and, and saying, I have a cold, and they'll give you some medicine and you get past the cold. Versus actually kind of finding some things in advance that I could go ahead and change that would really help my healthspan and most likely my lifespan. Um, so I think it's, it's a cool test and a good idea for, for anybody who kind of needs that extra push to go out and make some, some lifestyle changes.

Speaker 3: 16:30

Yeah. You know, the fear of bad news is something that'll always be present and, you know, Hey, should I get this, uh, this health test ran performed on me. But that's really the differentiator too, between functional medicine and traditional medicine. Traditional medicine, right. Um, some of my favorite patients, uh, on their, on a yearly basis, I guess, you know, we, we don't say that we have favorite patients, but in the ideal patient what's happening is they're going to Mayo, they're getting the executive physical, which is running all these tests and lab procedures to rule out different pathologies, right? But if, if some of those tests come back normal and you still have symptoms, that's really where functional medicine and, and kind of this whole framework of health healthcare 2.0 comes into play. Cause it's all about how can we optimize, uh, your, your wellbeing to, to be able to do the things that you want to do as later on as, or as late on as you can in life.

Speaker 2: 17:29

Yep. For sure.

Speaker 1: 17:31

Well, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you for explaining that. Um, what are some of the things we can do to increase our health span? We've done the Mayo Clinic executive physical or wherever we go, we've done all the tests in the traditional medical cuz we're just, we're we're feeling a little off or majorly off. And then we get to an a clinic like yours. What happens next? What do you offer? Like what are the things you can do or refer out to so we can do?

Speaker 3: 18:03

Well, I think the first and most important thing is understanding the why behind. Why do you want to be doing these things? Whether that's understanding your sense of purpose, um, understanding what you want to do later on in life and, uh, and really training for the game of life. A lot of us, you know, early on in our, uh, adolescent sports stays, it was all about, well, of course, like I'm in football season, so I'm training for, you know, exposition for, for this season. But in the game of life, what you're really training for is how can I be the most badass and capable, you know, 90 year old or 100 year old? And then what you do is just reverse engineer that by decade. So you're saying, Hey, what are the things that, you know, a 60 year old or a 70 year old needs to be doing? And how can I be achieving those things so that way I can do the things that I love? And for me, this is skiing, golf, travel, and adventure with my love and of course playing with future generations. So what are the things that I need to be doing right now that set me up on the path to, um, being able to do that when I'm 90

Speaker 2: 19:14

Now j Dr. Jordan, what about, and I know I've asked you this in the past, but you know, what about just, you know, somebody that doesn't necessarily even come into the clinic. Like, what can somebody like me on a regular basis do to really help, you know, increase my health span, just even if they're little things, little changes that I might be able to incorporate in my life that will really help?

Speaker 3: 19:33

Sure. And this is all about the, the framework of kind of how we take our clinics through or just the, the general thinking. And again, once you define that goal, then you can create a better framework. Um, I guess clinically speaking, I can go off that. Um, we really like to see, you know, a lot of objective labs. Of course we have their goals of where they want to do, and then we pair that with a really detailed health intake so we can get a really good idea of where the individual is and where they want to go. And then we, just to answer your question, kind of go through categorically, all right, what are some things that we can do to increase our brain health, you know, our gut health, our sleep, our exercise and nutrition, all these different, uh, categories and, and really like tactical approaches that, that we can, um, help to optimize. And of course there's, there's a myriad of those things, right? But it all comes down to individually what suits you. Um, and that is largely the art of what we do clinically.

Speaker 2: 20:34

Sure.

Speaker 1: 20:35

How about like a rapid fire question? Like I'll say the condition and you say one thing that I could do either in the clinic or off. All right? Sure. Like, um, okay, sleep better,

Speaker 3: 20:47

Sleep better. Uh, try to in or decrease the temperature in your room. There's a lot of different studies on temperature and how that affects the onset of sleep. So I always think about, all right, do you have tr do you have trouble falling asleep or staying asleep? And if it does come down to falling asleep, then typically what you can do to, to, uh, really influence falling into sleep is, is plain with temperature. So whether that's a late night sauna, a late warm bath, that way you're elevating your body temperature. And then maybe you can set the, the, uh, thermostat in your bedroom to a little bit lower, and that way you're kinda dipping into sleep, um, a little bit faster.

Speaker 2: 21:30

Interesting.

Speaker 1: 21:30

Awesome. I have a chili pad on my bed, which makes it cold. There you go. Like you go 60 degrees and then it actually turns on heat. You can program it to warm you as you wake. Nice. So it's like really smooth and sick. Okay. How about, um, what was the one, another ailment? Um,

Speaker 2: 21:46

Let's say, um, is there anything that you can do for, uh, let's say like chronic headaches, Jordan? Nice. Like maybe migraines, chronic headaches, um, you know, maybe even like stress, headaches, things of that nature.

Speaker 3: 21:59

Sure. Um, little like multifactorial with that one. Let's go next one.

Speaker 1: 22:04

You skipping that one? Yeah, we'll see on the headaches. Okay.<laugh>?

Speaker 2: 22:08

Yeah.<laugh>. Fair enough.

Speaker 1: 22:10

Um, well, I mean, what I do, I think the stress thing is what you said.

Speaker 2: 22:13

Yeah. Stress for sure. So,

Speaker 1: 22:15

Okay. For me it's like exercise, walking, like something physical like that. Like really automatically like drops my cortisol, like lowers like my, my homocystine. Am I using right words? Dr. Jordan, does that work? Yeah. Yeah. Like, it just calms me. Right. And then, then I like, but I put some physical exertion, like rowing and I kind of do to help lower my stress sometimes. Yeah. Um, or walk my dog. How about you?

Speaker 2: 22:41

Uh, for me it's, it's really kind of, you know, it's interesting. It's, it's sitting down and, and playing with my daughter and kind of just, you know, having that, that kind of innocence and, and way that she looks at the world just kind of calms me down a little bit. That's awesome. Um, so maybe even just something like that

Speaker 1: 22:57

Family community that goes back to what you were saying earlier. All right. Um, how about, how about like, you know, I'm just like, um, just I don't really love like eating all the time. Like I don't, like, I don't have like enough enjoyment with my food. Is that a thing people come into ever with?

Speaker 3: 23:20

Uh, yeah. Yeah, A little bit. That's, it's more on the, like the emotionality side of things. We actually work with a psychologist and, and pass'em along to, you know, really work on their mindset or emotional stress tolerance. Cause that largely plays into, you know, the whole goal of increasing, um, just a lot. I mean, that ties into everything. You know, it allows the individual to give, get hope, um, kind of get out of their, their head, kind of change up the stories that they're telling theirselves or some of the strategies that they've been doing that just haven't been successful.

Speaker 1: 23:53

Okay.

Speaker 2: 23:54

So, Dr. Jordan, I think, you know, a lot of this is leading and, and I'm sure as, as guests, you guys are wondering too, you know, I've asked you this in the past, um, and I'm sure it's objective as well, but what is more important, do you think, um, in your opinion? Is it longevity, longevity of life or lifespan? Or is it healthspan, which is, you know, of course what we talked about, quality of life. I think, you know, for me, the more important part would be to spend really good years with the people I love. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> versus kind of just being this, you know, old person that has to get moved around by people and, you know, can't really communicate, can't really do things. Yeah. I think for me it would be really important to just have those really good years with the people I love and, and be able to perform my best. Um, but you know, some other people, like we talked about yesterday, Jordan, that, uh, you know, a lot of the older generations would say, my goal is to live to a hundred. But there's nothing mentioned in there about being a hundred and being well, you know,

Speaker 1: 24:55

Right. Like, so first of all, I wonder like etymology, where has that, where's the bifurcation of this happened? Like in thinking about aging and like how we have kind of accepted that we, when we grow old, we get sick, right? Like, where is that, where did that mindset first creep into our world? And then like, really where in this more modern era of healthcare 2.0 has like this new idea of like being able to live longer and healthier kind of took rote. And then also like, what separates, like in the clients that you work with, what, what do you see as like, kind of, is there one or two like pre dominating factors that kind of separate the crowd?

Speaker 3: 25:38

Yeah. Well, to answer your question first, Robert, it's really a delicate balance and delicate dance between the two with Healthspan and lifespan. And that's really the art and the science of it too, right? Because, you know, of course you hear all of these different wellness gurus talking about, you know, the 20 different things that you need to be doing before 10:00 AM to live the most optimal life. Well, obviously, you know, not only is that sustainable, but it's probably more stressful. So<laugh> Yeah. Goal of this is to kind of meet, you, meet the patient's interest with also, you know, their goals. So we can create a really, a personalized strategy towards what it does look like to live to 90 and being the most capable you can, um, with, with, uh, the context of mind and body. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, I think it's kind of interesting to a quote off this, A healthy person wants, you know, 10,000 things, but a sick person just wants one. So I think that really speaks to the health span side of things. And again, just being as capable as you can later in life to create those rich memories and experiences that really make life what it's,

Speaker 2: 26:51

Yeah. That's a, that's a hard hitting thing I've never heard before. You know, that a healthy person wants a thousand things, but you know, the, the sick person just wants to feel, well, you know, I've never even actually thought about it that way, but that's an interesting take

Speaker 1: 27:03

Or to stay sick. Yeah.<laugh>, I don't know, like, what is that one thing? Is it inferred that it's to be healthy, the sick person

Speaker 3: 27:10

To get better? Yeah, it is. I'm, have you ever thought about, you know, the last time, the last time you were sick on the couch, you're like, oh, I just want, just wanna feel better. I just wanna get back to my daily routine,

Speaker 1: 27:20

I guess. But that's because I'm like, I try to be more lean into the healthy realm, you know, like, I do think there are people who are so sick and they don't know that they don't need to be, that there's actually like options out there to like work through that all Yeah. And get better. True. And so, I don't know, but okay. So then can you answer my questions too? I'll just remind you, it was kind of about the historical, like where did this come from? This like aging and the, the acceptance that when we grow old we may not feel well. And then contrary, like this newer healthcare 2.0 kind of modality, what happened in discovery and in science to kind of bring us here?

Speaker 3: 27:58

Well, I think a critical part of thinking about this is how do we prolong the diseases that were likely to die from, and that being cardiovascular disease, neurodegenerative disease, cancer. And then of course you got a whole list of other things like accidental death and chronic disease and so forth. But if we think about those, um, that's where we can really get into, um, clinically the, you know, the personalized model and the biochemistry and all these different, uh, chemical makeups that, um, we can kind of assess and see where you are from, uh, from a, from a lab perspective and from an objective perspective. You know, are you heading down this way? And that's really where, you know, the early detection and, and just getting comprehensive labs has really been, um, a big, I guess, uh, early, how do I say this? It's been, it's been a way to, uh, intervene more efficiently kind of earlier on in life. And again Sure. So instead of this wait and see model, we're able to identify these things earlier on and, uh, and address'em at the source. Again, not waiting for symptoms to arrive, but just seeing that we're maybe not hitting down this, this right path and, and how can we intervene

Speaker 2: 29:15

Gives you a little bit of a chance to be proactive, huh?

Speaker 3: 29:18

Yes. Yes. Yes. Probably the best way to summarize that.

Speaker 2: 29:21

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, for, for me, uh, one of the questions that I've had kind of outstanding is what to you, Dr. Jordan is the best age to kind of start something like this. Because for me now at 40, I'm just kind of learning about these things. And it was just from speaking to you that, you know, we had the ability to do all of these things, um, before I thought of it as something that just like somebody like Bill Gates does, right? Or, or somebody like Jeff Bezos who can, you know, go and do hyperbaric oxygen mm-hmm.<affirmative> and go do all of these things and sleep in a hyperbaric chamber. And

Speaker 1: 29:52

Yeah. Tiger Woods has one in his home, right?

Speaker 2: 29:54

Yeah.<laugh>. So I mean, like, things like that, you know, that are kind of out of the realm for me, uh, to be able to do what is like, kind of the optimum age to start looking at these types of things. Is it when you're in your teens? Is it when you're in your twenties, um, is it, you know, if you started when you were 10, is it too early to be able to tell anything? Like what's the ideal time to start looking into these things?

Speaker 3: 30:17

Yeah. Well, I think it all comes down to just your kind of your relationship with that, with that goal and what that looks like. And it, it is always changing, right? But I mean, as early as possible, we all have these kind of benchmarks and milestones that we look to achieve and, and how do we get there in the most optimal and efficient way? Um, but yeah, I guess as, as early on as, as as you can,

Speaker 1: 30:42

Sure. So is the theoretical goal to pick like how long you wanna live and then kind of in a generic way? Or is it more like, I wanna be doing something while I'm older? Like, which, which is more of like a successful goal in your opinion?

Speaker 3: 30:59

Probably the second one. Cause again, once, once we figure out what it is you wanna be doing, um, then we can kind of, uh, use that. I think right now, so the average life exp expectancy for a female, um, outweighs males. I think it's like 82 and a half years. And Robert, you and I are around 80 or 79, something like that. We're catching up. We are, we are, yep.<laugh>. But, uh, so if we add on those 12 extra years that, you know, we might be able to get with a little bit of assistance from technology as, uh, you know, kinda around 90. So what do we wanna be doing around 90? And then again, just kind of reverse engineer from there.

Speaker 1: 31:40

Hmm. Okay. So it really is important then that we look at like the, what we enjoy, our passions, what, like, it kind of starts with, it's interesting that I didn't really, I didn't expect that to be where you would lead a client to go first. You know, like it's, it's very like, it's deep, it's spiritual, it's emotional, you know, like, it, it might even be like the physical might have even been a barrier for a person to have those things in their lives in the past. So like, how do they, how do you, like, do you see most people get to that place of, of envisioning that life for them in the fu themselves in the future?

Speaker 3: 32:25

Yeah. You really gotta take the, you know, kind of the emotional set points and, and really, um, really hammer down on those. Cause you know, they always talk about, we spend our early days accumulating or accumulating wealth at the expense of our health. And then we spend, I think this is Warren Buffet who, who talks us, I'm massively butchering this, but then he talks about in our later years, then we spend all of our wealth, um, to make up for our health, right? So Oh yeah. When we have, ideally in, in retirement, um, you know, we want to be as again, able and capable as we can to, to be able to maybe create a, a new sense of purpose, create a new career path, um, connect with with our community as, as most as we can. And, you know, if, if, uh, we don't have an able and capable mind and body to do that, then it's gonna be a, a difficult path.

Speaker 2: 33:23

Well, I don't know about you, Lauren, but I can tell you for sure Dr. Jordan, if I was walking into a doctor's office and the doctor actually said to me, um, you know, what do you want to be doing when you're 80<laugh>? And, and, and, you know, something like that versus, Hey, what am I seeing you for today? What are your symptoms? What are your symptoms? Um, you know, what, how, how do you feel you're feeling bad. How can I fix you? Yeah. Now, um, versus, you know, continue your health into the future. It would be so nice for somebody to say, you know, what's your goal? Do you wanna live to be 90 and still be going off ski jumps, or do you want to, you know, it would just be so refreshing to hear it kind of placed in that way versus, you know, somebody just saying, we're just gonna heal you, or even if we can heal you today for this one issue, and then you're gonna move on and, and we'll see you maybe in another year when you're feeling something else. Right? Yeah. Like, it would be so refreshing to just know that kind of I could control those goals a little bit as much as I could, right?

Speaker 3: 34:20

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And it go, comes back to, um, you know, when we were younger, we always had something that we were competing for, and that made it a lot more motivated to, to see the goal and, you know, kind of journey along to, uh, to achieve that. So if we can use that in the framework of, of the game of life, um, what is it that we want to achieve later on, and what are the things that we can be doing to, to address that? And again, it's just gonna be, I'm so optimistic for the future with, with the accessibility that everyone is gonna be able to have to, you know, run markers on their tests and a ver or run biomarkers about their health in a very accessible and cost effective way. Um, you know, there's, there's so much low hanging fruit that you can do now that you really didn't have a whole lot of access to. I know Lauren and I were the aura ring. So every night we're tracking our sleep, such a big aspect. And, um, yeah, just, uh, there's so much free information out there too that's, uh, that's really gonna impact things in a positive way. I mean, we have AI chat bots right now that can pass the bar exam, you know,<laugh>. So there's, uh, there's a lot of optimism for what that's gonna do with healthcare, and again, just creating more accessibility through, through cost effectiveness and, and all of that.

Speaker 1: 35:45

Yeah. And it is, it is a lot about research, you know, like, could you refer, what was the book that, um, I recently read that inspired you to start your clinic?

Speaker 3: 35:55

Yeah, so that is called Lifespan. It's all about why we age and why we don't have to, it's a pretty bold title, but it brings upon the fact that there's really no genes or genetics that are instructing ourselves that we have to age. It's really, again, a breakdown in a micro breakdown of these, these cells that lose their communication over time and become just less efficient, um, which leads to the development of disease and dysfunction over time.

Speaker 1: 36:29

Yeah. Yeah. And, and so I would recommend that book to our listeners. Um, the, what was the name of the author? Dr. Jordan Do

Speaker 3: 36:36

Davidson Sinclair. He's, uh, he's the head genetic, uh, uh, the head of the genetics lab at Harvard. Really, really

Speaker 1: 36:44

Good. Yeah, it was a phenomenal book. I even, I could read it, disclaimer, I did read it whilst in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber<laugh>. So like, my brain was at like alert and I was like, it's the best place to read legal documents or a, a medical book is in, in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber. But, um, I, what I liked in it, the book was like, you know, even if you can't do like, um, cryogenics Yep, yep. Um, you know, like you can walk outside in a cold day in Minnesota in your t-shirt and the some of the same benefit, the health benefits if you're out there for like fif 10, even five minutes, like the telomeres can be extended, right? Which is, uh, one of those, um, ways to like that on the cellular level that you can increase your lifespan. Can you just like, is that like, first of all, did I say that correctly or could you kind of make, um, say that better and expand on that, Jordan?

Speaker 3: 37:39

Sure. So he's identified the nine hallmarks of aging, and they're all kind of these characteristics of how the cell is becoming dysfunctional. Again, kind of from not only a micro level, but also a macro level. And, you know, what are some interventions that we can do to really target each individual framework in a really strategic manner. So that's not only what I'm super interested in, in clinically, but I'm also very optimistic for that to just trickle down into the general, uh, public and just be common knowledge about, you know, how we go about our day, how we go about our health. And this kind of just summarizes the whole conversation of what are the kind of easy things that I can do to maximize my quality of life for as long as I can.

Speaker 1: 38:27

I remember from the book that another one in addition to like cold exposure is, and, and helping the telomeres is having a, like a time where you, you do like a fast of some type. It could be like shortening the windows during the day where you eat. So it's like you eat like six hours a day and then you're off the others, or, um, or like you take one day a week, or maybe it's like a few days out of a, or two days out of a month or whatever it is for the person. It's like really needs to be based on like the nutritionist and their doctors, like how they do it. But the benefits especially shown a lot of mice and maybe rat studies, but like that it, it just shows that like, even, like no matter, even if you eat junk food, if you manage the window of when you eat, that's another one of those markers, those nine markers. Is that correct?

Speaker 3: 39:21

Yeah, it's certain to be kind of a new age understanding of when we eat might be more important than what we eat. Yeah. But if you take a step back and just think about, you know, the innate intelligence of the body, kind of the entire, um, purpose of fasting is that we give, um, we're, we're optimizing for energy conservation because we're not receiving food and receiving, you know, the energy that that food contains. So your body has to go search for energy within it. And what it's gonna do in a very intelligent manner is recycle those old and dysfunctional cells that are starting to, uh, to age inappropriately or just kind of behave inappropriately, and it's gonna use those for energy. So of course, once you don't have those anymore, once they're recycled, then you're not gonna be having the dysfunction that they're, or the chaos that they're creating. So, yeah. Interesting. Fasting is a, it's a great tool. Of course, everybody wants to talk about the what, like, Hey, just tell me what to do. What's, what's this, what's that? You know, cryotherapy, hyperbarics, all these really cool things. But really the art of that is, uh, again, matching it to the interest level of the individual and kind of mapping out the strategic plan that can not only be interesting, but also sustainable, um, throughout that, uh, throughout their life.

Speaker 1: 40:45

Well, that's amazing. I, I wanna ask you if there's anything else you wanna share with our listeners and or would you share what your personal goals are in your future, either for your clinic at Statera Health, or in your own world? Like what do you want to offer and, and give this world with your goals, Dr. Jordan?

Speaker 3: 41:08

Yeah. Well, I'm super optimistic if you can't tell about where personalized health is, is heading, um, and all the tools and strategies that you can take advantage of out there to, to really create health instead of this wait and see model of, you know, and then hopping into the management, um, of disease. So we're really big on, uh, measuring atara, getting really a, a framework and a map of where you currently are, and again, pairing that to the goals of where you want to go. And, uh, we just have a lot of fun in the process. So that's kind of where I'm at in my own journey too, and just learning more about myself and, um, and, and what I wanna achieve.

Speaker 1: 41:53

Well, I think you're making a brighter, obviously, healthier world, so thank you for your time and for what you're doing and for sharing what you're doing on the podcast with us today. I, um, do you wanna, yeah,

Speaker 2: 42:08

Dr. Jordan, uh, you know, I appreciate for sure, you know, you kind of breaking some of these, these things down for me. I obviously don't have as much of as of a medical background as you and Lauren. Oh, well, Lauren, you know the terms, and you can, you can<laugh>,

Speaker 1: 42:22

But I don't even know how to say'em.

Speaker 2: 42:24

<laugh>, you know, for, for me, it was just a, it was a really interesting, you know, engagement with you to be able to discover these things that I can do, um, even in my regular day, you know, life and, and also learning about some of these new concepts and things that I should be looking for. So I would recommend to anybody out there that's listening, um, and also for you to recommend to go go, you know, even if it's not sta Satara Health, um, you know, to go get these things checked out and, and to really look into these types of things and, you know, it's really gonna help us in the future, um, be able to live a healthier, you know, better life. So, Dr. Jordan, I appreciate the way that you can break some of these things down to people that are very complicated subjects. Um, but in speaking to you, I don't feel like it's, it's overwhelming, right? You, you do a really good job of breaking it down and, and making it achievable, um, and obtainable, which, which I really do appreciate. So thank you for that, doctor. And, um, is there anything else you'd like to tell our guests before we go? And, um, like I said, we appreciate you being here and I will always be looking to you in the future for, uh, my future health

Speaker 1: 43:30

<laugh>.

Speaker 3: 43:31

Yeah, thanks so much, guys. I guess the end touch point is that, you know, the creation of health and healthcare in general does not need to be complicated. You know, my goal is not to be a wellness guru that needs to, you know, that is trying to tell you to do all the things that you're not. It's, uh, really about to bring back the true meaning of doctor, and that is teacher. And, uh, our goal is really to remove these barriers and to really educate yourself to become, you know, kind of your own doctor in a sense and really maximize, uh, these, uh, these characteristics that we talked about, that that lead to a, a really, uh, fulfilling life.

Speaker 2: 44:11

Nice. Well put. I think, you know, it's important to be your own advocate, you know, especially in a lot of these things, you have to be the person that's kind of taking action, so I appreciate that. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 44:21

Well, Dr. Jordan, tell our listeners where they can learn more about Satara and anything else that you're engaged with and want them to learn about on online or on social media.

Speaker 3: 44:32

So our social is Satara Health underscore Edina, and then you can, so we post a lot of updates there, um, a lot of what we're doing, and then our website, um, you can find out a little bit more information about the therapies that we have and, uh, a little bit more about some programs that we do, um, at, of satara.com.

Speaker 1: 44:54

Awesome. And we'll put all those links in the episode notes. Um, Dr. Jordan, thank you so much for coming on our first episode of season three. It's an absolute pre privilege to have you, we would love to have you back if you'd be willing.

Speaker 3: 45:08

Absolutely, absolutely. Anytime. Again, we, you need to record some of our regular combos and just throw it into little clips.

Speaker 1: 45:16

I know.

Speaker 2: 45:17

Well go check'em out. Everybody, you won't, you know, I promise you, you will not regret it. And, uh, have a conversation with Dr. Jordan. It'll help you.

Speaker 1: 45:24

All right. All right, peace. Have a great day. Thanks guys.

Speaker 3: 45:27

Thanks.

Speaker 1: 45:28

Thank you guys.

Speaker 2: 45:32

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Speaker 1: 45:45

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